payout lower and or remove the on hold
I would love to have the 2 week hold removed. I do not understand why it takes 2 weeks to get into payout.
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@stormy there "charge back" can be happen so they wait 2 weeks to be sure money are cleared
@stormy, thanks for bringing it up. I suppose a lot of models get the same thoughts, so it's a good idea for me to write out and explain why and how this works.
1) Minimum payout amounts.
As you might know, sending money via any payment method includes a charge for the sender or receiver of the money. Right now these charges are covered by MC, and they vary by payout method just like the minimums vary. This means we incur a cost of X amount every time we send a payout. The minimums were not something our finance team came up with from out of the blue. They calculated that this amount is necessary to cover that cost and not make it too costly to send out the payments. While it is true that some sites pay out at lower rates, they also get a higher percentage of the money you make. MC receives 22.5% of the transactions on your website, which also goes to cover for a number of costs, including hosting, content delivery, user and model support, and, most importantly, development of new features as per your requests and other perks. These costs also include the cost of sending you guys and gals the money. The minimum payouts are calculated to ensure that there's a reasonable balance between costs and profits to allow growth and development while not making things to uncomfortable.
2) 2 week hold (also known in also known in the environment of affiliate marketing "net 15")
net 15 means you get paid the amount you made within the billing period on the 15th day after the last day of that billing period. That in fact isn't a standard in the industry for webmasters or affiliates. The standard payout scheme is net 30, as you may have guessed - 30 days after the end of the billing period. The reason why this is imposed is purely a security consideration. With cams, you'd do a show, the user would pay for it and receive the service immediately. Hence a hold isn't really necessary. With fan sites, the majority of payments are subscriptions, so a user pays for a service to be provided for some time - a week, a month or a year. That is why billing companies impose a hold on payouts - so there is always some amount to cover for sudden and unexpected expenses - i.e. a model suddenly decides to close down the site (ownership of content and brand goes with him or her) and we have to pay back all the users that had purchased memberships and no longer have access to what they paid for. In fact, 15 net is a compromise to ensure some security for us while you get paid soon enough to not make it a financial drag for you to get the money.
Hope this makes more sense now.
Thanks @JenySmith
I just expanded on what you said basically 
Natalie yah.......I have been in "webmaster land" for 15 years and own 2 sites which I due payout and never have seen one site use"on hold" nor a reason why you would need to have it. It looks confussing, ie why I asked....thought maybe you had some new kind of payment system I was unaware of.
JenySmith 😃 thanks
@stormy, here in the community I am usually being friendly and nice, but if you'd prefer, I'll use more professional language and demeanor to answer your questions.
I've never said "us in webmaster land", but if it bothers you, I'll change "also known in webmaster land as" to "also known in the environment of affiliate marketing".
The delay of payout on credit card transactions for a security hold, especially in high-risk industries like adult, is a standard procedure for paysites. It is also very widespread in mainstream:
Just as an example: Affiliate.com
Payment Method: Check, ACH, Wires, PayPal
Programs Offered: CPA, CPL, CPS
Payment Frequency: Net 30
Min payout: $100
If you don't mind me asking, what affiliate programs are you promoting? What are their payout policies?
Every affiliate program I've dealt with has had a payout threshold. There are some where you can request payouts once the threshold is met and there are those that have payment schedules (usually one a month or twice a month).
I have yet to run into a program where I can request a $1.00 payout and have it sent out imediately after requesting.
Pretty much every camming site or other adult network I've come into contact with has payout schedules and min payouts as well. The only exception being those bullshit camming studios that rip models off. They actually have some incredibly laxed payment options.
On a side note: I love the laidback attitude in the camming / amateur industry. I've spent too much time being "professional" and "politically correct", it's a nice gamechanger.
@natalie Keep doing what you're doing! I know that the vast majority of us like your realness. I feel much more comfortable talking to someone who's down-to-earth, than a robot. 😃😃😃
Well Said @Dirtylittleholly Keep up the Great work @Natalie
WebcamStartup camming / amateur industry is not a game....you should not have a laidbad attiude about it if you are going to be working or helping other working in it.
@Natalie 99 percent of my work is in music, promotions, production of videos and running websites. (For who is not something I can say)
affiliate programs you know , I spoke of them with you....if you want I can put a list of my sites, but it feels kind of spam like to do so.
I do get what you are saying....I just never seen it done with the on hold....then to payment . normally it is has what you make then you reach what you need to make to get a check or whatever and the person gets payed.
The way it is set up now it already had an issue why I ever brought it up......but I didnt want sit here and talk about how the layout does not work........but now I suppose I will. I can add a snip if you would like to see what I am talking about.
The way it is set up now it already had an issue why I ever brought it up......but I didnt want sit here and talk about how it does not work........but since I pretty much got pushed to having to point this out......how you are doing it is confussing and already had an issues as you can see
Amount on Hold
$ 54.00
Next Payout
$ 54.00 <----------wrong
I can add a snip if you need me to......
WebcamStartup camming / amateur industry is not a game....you should not have a laidbad attiude about it if you are going to be working or helping other working in it.
@Natalie 99 percent of my work is in music, promotions, production of videos and running websites. (For who is not something I can say)
affiliate programs you know , I spoke of them with you....if you want I can put a list of my sites, but it feels kind of spam like to do so.
@Natalie I get you work with http://www.adultcentro.com/ and are trying to be sell pre made porn sites for $99/month!........but this site is not about that...or is it?
It is kind of hard to look at you with any trust when your profile photo is the same as that site...and all you seem to talk about is affialte programs.
Are you here to help the models....or are you only about adultcentro? This site is not an affialte site.....or maybe it is just that, and the whole reason you have this site is for the ten percent sales you get us?
stormy
We have your account listed as Natalie no longer being able to respond to your threads by request. We are not sure if there was a miscommunication, as you are still asking questions.
I think there has been a misunderstanding regarding professionalism in this thread. As stated in Natalies post, the write up was directed at everyone who would have questions regarding this subject, and we offer our sincere apologies to anyone who might be personally insulted at the level of language we use in order for all to understand.
If there are discrepancies with payout counters on your dashboard, please contact support at modelcentro.com so they could look into what is calculated wrong.
Let me answer your question about AdultCentro:
AdultCentro is a content leasing platform successfully operating since 2008. It is currently the biggest in the industry. It is not a secret that ModelCentro is being built by the same team with the use of its parent's infrastructure, although it's a separate project. AdultCentro, among other things, allows webmasters to create feeds or fully functional Paysites. The setup process doesn't cost anything - the only charge is for bandwidth generated by the users. The price starts at $0.99/GB and goes down with the increase in bandwidth usage. There is a minimum monthly fee of $99, which applies only after launch and subscription of members. It covers up to 100 Gb of bandwidth as well as hosting, support and other expenses. Let me know if you have additional questions on how the system works, I’ll be glad to assist.
We usually do not offer or advertise AdultCentro to those who use ModelCentro unless they ask about it. We also don't hide that the team works with both projects. Natalie is my boss - head sales and marketing manager for both ModelCentro and AdultCentro.
SashaGreen "AdultCentro is currently the biggest in the industry? How is that?
The last award you got by xbiz was 2012, and your content is affialte accounts...every site you have listed can be signed up for all they need to do it go sign up underwebmater on the same sites..for free..... and then over half the sites give out free layouts for people to use....whitelabels..codes to embedd in free blogger..free hosted gallerys....everything you need , and they do not charge for bandwith not would there be a need for it.......since they give you free host sites
as you said... "The price starts at $0.99/GB and goes down with the increase in bandwidth usage. There is a minimum monthly fee of $99, which applies only after launch and subscription of members.....
..Maybe I am missing something here, you can explain to me....but you are making money off the sales they make...because your doing an affailte in an affailte.....and as I stated above all these sites anyone can sign up for.....and then within the sites there is so may tooks its insane.......so then once a person makes a sale....you charge them a fee as stated above.......I am sorry but it looks like you are using people who do not know how it works to make money.......again I could be wrong....if I am please explain to me how I am wrong
stormy
From what I can see from my time here, we are the biggest due to dedication and hardwork, but that is only my educated opinion.
AdultCentro isn’t an affiliate program giving out content for affiliates to promote it. Here’s what you misunderstood. Affiliate programs buy or rent content from AdultCentro to give to their subscribed members.
The $99 Fee is a pre-auth for new accounts, so if the minimum isn't reached, we release it. To be honest, we use this $99 fee as a way to help weed out people who don't fully understand this business, as most people tend to think before they take action.
Especially if it costs them money.
I don't want to say that you are wrong, I feel more that this is a case of not fully understanding all the benefits our services have to offer. Because at the end of the day, you aren't the biggest in the industry because of a few awards.
"SashaGreen "AdultCentro is currently the biggest in the industry? How is that?"
@Stormy, Sasha is referring to the leased adult content vertical. AdultCentro Publisher provides you with a content that you build a site with or add to your existing site/app and you monetize that content via any method you see fit. It's up to you.
I am not sure why you having a hard time, but i think you should be able to get all the information from the website here: http://publisher.adultcentro.com/about.
If you have a specific question, you are welcome to contact a sales person, as all contacts are listed on the website.
AC also operates the first and only AdultContent Licensing marketplace.. which is also by default the biggest
Speaking of awards, we just won Ynot award a couple of months ago: http://www.ynotawards.com/winner2015.htm
And a couple of nominations again here: http://xbizawards.xbiz.com/nominees.php
StanDaMann That was pretty funny and honest 'AC also operates the first and only AdultContent Licensing marketplace.. which is also by default the biggest"
you are part of Ynot which I would hope you won an award from it
I do have one question, why are 15 images of mine on THAT site?
http://www.siteshowinfo.com/sites/adultcentro.com
@stormy not sure what you found funny there, you have a strange sense of humor.
" you are part of Ynot which I would hope you won an award from it" this just shows you have no idea what you are talking aobut.
I have no idea what 'THAT site' you are talking about, your link doesn't have any images, so please clarify.
The answer is simple
A model can build their own and deal with the headaches. MC/AC is providing a lot for models.
Why would I want my payout lower?
This keeps me safe as a model not to have chargebacks to my account and ALL IN ALL that is what it is. A safety net on both ends.
The adult industry can not be compared to music, there is a reason we are high risk. It can be googled if not commonly known that fraud of all kind is high risk in this biz.
BTW... if you did not know this
isnt that snazzy?
as long as we meet payout, we get a weekly check
Two different worlds, just two differnt worlds
Webmaster, affilliate, internet pimp, call it what you like
.. many of the models here affiliate with adult sites and have a 2 week hold
Ill keep my 75% and say tootle-loo to this ridiculous discussion that I assumed was lowering my % so I could get a check faster.
No TY.
but
TY for providing a free platform, IT, and all the other goodies that come with it,
StanDaMan I love how every staff member talks down to models.......(yes that was one of my strange jokes)
if you do not get this "That was pretty funny and honest 'AC also operates the first and only AdultContent Licensing marketplace.. which is also by default the biggest""
is funny.....then I can not explain it.....it has to be because of my "strange sense of humor."
Let me put this very simple to you......
I am not trying to bring this site down at all.......I have said many times over how I thing this is an amazing site could become
I been doing this for 15 years......these old models that you use I know.....I worked with them....
Tons of things at this point I just do not care......
I could post links, proof of the many little things you do that make my people look at the site and tell me sorry I do not trust it.....and not sign up.....
I post here with hopes you guys see how you look......and how look at that and make a few changes for the better.......but you all do not want to hear anything so I give up.....keep doing like you are........I could be bringing in 700 instead of the 100 I do to the site.....but for now I get why my friends are not wanting to sign up.......and that is how it is.....
Just do not pull my site stormygirls like you did my other one.....as long as you dont mess with me I wont bother with posting on the fourm anymore.
@Stormy, sounds like you should create your own CMS and dominate the market.
WebcamStartup I dominate many markets,hey you never did say how many sign ups you have gotten and what you gross a month for this site.
Me only 100, 3 rebills, but thats with a non nude no promoted site....if I tried I am sure it would be more....
ErikaXstacy the main band, person I work with is very high risk, he has been banned from counties, his tours are a big hotspot for adult models and he holds many adult events each year as well as had a group burlesque models during his tours. (one being me) So in this case The adult industry can not be compared to music. ( and really many cases)
as for the rest of what you said......It had nothing to do with what I asked or said at all.Kind of seems like this turned into a twist what stormy says thread,but hey welcome to it.....when I speak , I can always back it up....if I can not I make sure not to speak so I do not end up looking foolish......no matter how hard some may try.
Let me recap what I "said" that not one soul seems to want to speak about
"on hold" has already proven to not work as you can see.
Plus it would be far more simple to have what you made then payment....and as far as payment to take two weeks to clear.......kind of odd...My bank and all banks I have worked with take a few days to clean at the most......10 years ago maybe two weeks.......but in today"s world that is crazy slow and no I do not get it.....nor have I been giving a real reason it takes two weeks.
Credit card payments take approximately 1 business day to clear and bank account payments take about 1-5 business days to clear.
Withdrawals to bank accounts take 1-5 business days to clear.
so yes I am wondering why it takes two full weeks to clear.
@stormy, here is a short answer for you, since you seem to miss it. This is a policy because we chose to do busienss this way to protect ourselves and those who are part of the platform and to ensure platform viability. Now this doesn't mean that it's set in stone, but we have no plans to change at this time.
You post here to show how it makes us look, but i think you fail to see how it makes you look..
StanDaMan that is the 1st time anyone put it that way.....and that is an answer and thank you for that.
my own reflection is very clear to me...I tried to contact you before I even posted public but you refused to anwer.....and then when you did it is yet again "trying" to make me look bad.
Do you see your own reflection and how you look to models and members looking in on this?
( I can tell you you lost 10 sign ups for me due to how your staff acts to this site, really a lost for you not me)
Please do tell me, what do you think I look like? since you wanted to bring it up.....
btw I did go into priv chat now looking to speak to you outside this pubic form.....it to me seems the right things to do.
@stormy my email is in the profile, you are welcome to contact me at stan@modelcentro.com
StanDaMan
why don"t you talk down to WebcamStartup and just allow him to post such horrible things? I will send you the link via email to them.....becaue no I am not at all trying to make this site look bad...
This is who I am......unless I have to be bitchy......and I hate having to do so......
http://community.modelcentro.com/index.php?p=/discussion/comment/3014/#Comment_301
(and many many post where I am trying to help....talk how great this site is)
And thank you for the email and I do hope we talk out and find a common ground.
Also I understand it is the weekend , so If you do not reply until monday 100 percent understandable.