Models- Do you find AM is bringing you traffic or just others wanting to make money off of you?
hey ladies and gents,
quick question and i hope you dont mind me asking, do you find that AM is bringing you in genuine traffic or do you think that its lads trying to make a quick buck from you?
please dont get me wrong i am sure there are some great AM's out there who a very genuine in bringing you good quality organic traffic and of course they should be rewarded for it but looking at the list on my site when they dont even have a proper business email address i cannot help but feel its young lads that think the best way to make a quick buck is by using us instead of getting off their bums and getting a job!
is there a way that i can be selective on who AM's me and my content and can i get rid of those that i do not want on my affiliates list under my promotion setction on the MC dashboard?
thanks,
Elia xx
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You speak a subject, which is also on my heart.
You're right, but unfortunately you can not tell who is a fake. You can see it at the visitors. I have some at who have 1 visitor. I'm leaving Fake. It is quite easy to register with MCProfit and it will not be checked. Anyone can register and the website does not even exist. So it's easy to get free material every week.
But, you can not go out of a non buissnis e-mail. I have one, he has a Hotmail.Er has a good side and makes a great job. I even have contact via Twitter with him and a very friendly contact.
I wrote to all AM by e-mail, if they need more material, they would like to inform me. 2 AM have reported on these e-mails. It was not 1%.
From experience (I've got........Shit, 10's of thousands of webmaster referrals from all the different programs) webmaster traffic converts like crap. The publisher/ad networks do alright, because we're working with CPM/CPC. Any webmaster should be able to drive traffic and clicks.
Affiliate referrals, you're only getting paid when they convert. Not as easy as CPC/CPM.
In camland (and affiliate programs, not advertiser/publisher networks), the only program that perform well enough to brag about is CrakRevenue (MFC and some other cam offers). I do have some traction with CB, LJ/AWE, Camspower/XCams, Bongacash........There's gotta be a few others, but we're talking pennies at this point.
When you do get a good webmaster, they do fucking rock though. I've referred a couple good ones to Crak that have me smiling.
So just know that affiliate traffic always converts like crap. But we're in adult. This vertical converts like crap in general. Big-dollar vertical with tons of traffic, but horrible conversion rates.
Hell, @Guido, I know you guys don't offer a webmaster referral, but if you wanna play around with big data, would love to benchmark MCProfit webmaster referrals to the rest of the industry. Big data alone would be interesting enough for me to do it. Don't know how hard it'd be to track referrals with simple GA tagging, ect.
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But anyways, like with everything, you're going to get x-amount of signups, and x-amount of that will actually be valuable. It's the same core concept with website visitors. Same core concept with camming site visitors. When it comes to anything (doesn't matter what business or vetical) everything can be summed up by:
Affiliates that drive sales ÷ Affiliate signups = Webmaster conversion rate.
..........Which, like I said earlier, affiliate conversion rates in this vertical fucking suck.
Does that mean that affiliate marketing isn't worthwhile? Well, are you seeing sales generated? Do the sales justify the time spent administering the program? Because it could be justified or it couldn't. If you're not seeing sales from it, obviously it's not working.
Keep in mind that it's also possible for customers to find content posted by an affiliate, and rather than clicking through on the banner, they might Google your name and find your site organically. Hell, they might find your chatroom and convert on that instead of the site subscription.
In both those scenarios mentioned above, affiliate marketing might generate conversions, but isn't measurable due to how the conversion was referred. Without paying the commission, either.
Anyways, some personal experience with webmaster traffic.
Also, from personal experience, MC sites are hard to promote. Everything is very much in proof-of-concept (and I'm not releasing the URLs, as they're kind of tacky as fuck right now) I've got something like 5 join submits from the properties I'm building. With the traffic I'm getting, it's not horrible conversion rates. But I'm also using deep-linking to chatroom / clip store pages on the same sites when applicable (directory-style sites, so it works well like that), and I am seeing better conversion rates with some of the clip stores (with referral programs) and camming sites.
So MC can be somewhat of a hard platform to promote to customer traffic.
Also keep in mind I started deploying these properties during summer slowdown, they're still in POC and I haven't SEOd the fuck out of anything. More just going for big data at this point.
I'm willing to say that cam sites / clip sites in directory style sites convert better than personal model websites though. It'll be interesting to see if the same is true once I deploy the handful of polished properties I have in the skunkworks, built off the corrected mistakes from my first projects (why you always throw shit against the wall first) and it'll be interesting to see if the cam/clip sites continue to outperform MC solo sites conversion-wise. I predict they will, but you never know for sure.
Anyways, I hope this insight helps. It's tough; both getting good affiliates as well as promoting adult sites in the era of free porn. Believe me, I wish that I had higher webmaster conversion rates, too.
Also, I invite any model to Google their performing name. Are you seeing pirated content come up? Your own web properties you have control over? Affiliate web properties? (converting or not).
If you're seeing pirated content come up; would you rather see affiliate content (converting or not) featuring promotional content you've got control over, or pirated content that isn't trying to drive traffic to your site, but rather use it for pop-ad and CPM ad revenue?
Affiliate marketing can help prevent privacy. And it's interesting jumping into the customer-game, because I'm now having to do opposition research against both pirates and competing affiliates. One key takeaway I've come up with from that experience is that affiliate marketing does effectively combat piracy.
Even if the affiliates aren't converting the traffic they're generating, they are cutting into the pirates action.
It's really making me scratch my head and reevaluate the value of affiliate marketing. Hell, even those "Password Sites" (Which I'm sure many MC models know about through running affiliate programs) probably convert like shit. Seriously; if someone is looking for free passwords, are they really interested in paying?
*BUT* if they're taking away traffic and revenue from the pirates capping your shows and uploading your clips to torrent sites, is there a value to that?
Also, I invite any model to Google their performing name. Are you seeing pirated content come up? Your own web properties you have control over? Affiliate web properties? (converting or not).
If you're seeing pirated content come up; would you rather see affiliate content (converting or not) featuring promotional content you've got control over, or pirated content that isn't trying to drive traffic to your site, but rather use it for pop-ad and CPM ad revenue?
Affiliate marketing can help prevent privacy. And it's interesting jumping into the customer-game, because I'm now having to do opposition research against both pirates and competing affiliates. One key takeaway I've come up with from that experience is that affiliate marketing does effectively combat piracy.
Even if the affiliates aren't converting the traffic they're generating, they are cutting into the pirates action.
It's really making me scratch my head and reevaluate the value of affiliate marketing. Hell, even those "Password Sites" (Which I'm sure many MC models know about through running affiliate programs) probably convert like shit. Seriously; if someone is looking for free passwords, are they really interested in paying?
*BUT* if they're taking away traffic and revenue from the pirates capping your shows and uploading your clips to torrent sites
Seriously though; how the hell do those "Free Password" sites actually convert? Everyone looking for shit like that obviously doesn't want to pay. I get you might see a very marginal conversion rate from traffic that's like; "Well fuck it! If I can't get it for free, guess I'll just have to pay!"
But c'mon now! How the hell do "Free Password" sites really convert? I almost have to call them out on just using models for longtail traffic that turns into pop-under and CPM/CPC revenue........As marginal as that shit is.
There, I said it.
Yo, @Guido, if you can't disclose this shit, I totally understand. But seriously, do those "Free Password" sites actually convert at all?
WebcamStartup for as always very valuable input!
Spaingirl / Nati - you get out what you put in. Affiliate marketing works for some better then for others, and in my opinion what has happened was that the right model found the right affiliate - it was a match
If you channel the right kind of traffic to the right kind of website (mind that the site is active, gets updates etc - that is a must) - everything comes together. Then, when that traffic is gouged up it could mean 100s of signups every day, making both you and the affiliate quite happy. Waiting isn't really the right thing to do in trying to find such marketers. Offering good promo tools is of course something to think about, and being accessible and as Natalie has been - proactive are both good strategies.